The Fourth Way

I had the privilege of speaking with Dr. Saiya about his book "The Global Politics of Jesus."

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I had the privilege of talking with Dr. George Kalantzis about sacralism, empire, voting, and more.

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In this episode I explore Christendom's love affair with power and politics throughout the ages.

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I discuss James Olson's book "Fair Play," and discuss whether participation in government and empire is possible without moral compromise. 

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I discuss from whence government derives its power and how our divestment of power is important in understanding our moral responsibility in voting. 

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I take a look at how legislation and governmental power have had a centuries long impact on the island nation of Haiti.

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I take a look at how legislation and governmental power have had a centuries long impact on the island nation of Haiti.

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I take a deeper dive into how legislation comes about and assess whether or not it really ends up changing much. 

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I look at a case study for how legislation often has unintended consequences, and rarely obtains what it promises to obtain. 

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I explore the case of Benjamin Lay, an "unimportant" Quaker man who changed the world through his small, faithful actions. 

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I explore the idea of one issue voting and assess whether or not it is a valid Christian ethic. 

In this episode I explore my first thoughts with voting, when the dissonance in my life caused me to really take a look at my assumptions about voting.

I discuss what the biblical expectations are for leaders, and whether or not we can separate morality from our leadership decisions and culpability for their actions. 

I take a look at Adin Ballou's take on government and our complicity with it, taken from his work "Christian Nonresistance in All its Important Bearings." 

In this episode I explore eight reasons why the Lesser of Two Evils Ethic fails. To listen to a whole season about consequentialism and the LOTE, check out seasons 2 and 6 of this podcast. 

This episode begins our brand new season discussing the ethics of voting, and more specifically, making a case for the importance of abstention. In this episode I lay out the basic arguments for abstention and discuss how I will frame this season to build a case for this position. 

*Note that Douglass ended up changing his position on war, advocating strongly for the Civil War when the time came, and even sending his own sons to fight for it while advocating that other black men join the war. 

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A Christmasish reflection related to the concept of truth we've been unpacking throughout this season. 

A rewriting of Longfellow's "Christmas Bells" in light of modern Christendom, Empire, and Conflicts. 

We round out the season by circling back to the issue of nonviolence, and looking at how truth is vital for fighting injustice. 

In this episode we explore what true community looks like and how it encourages and empowers us towards the ideal. 

We explore how discipleship is a counter-propaganda formation of individuals. 

I chat with Doug Smith, author of "Unintentional," about propaganda and discipleship. 

0:00 - My Intro
4:00 - Doug's Intro
8:30 - Importance of ecumenicism
15:40 - Shaping our desires
23:50 - How to shape our desires
35:15 - Postman, Huxley, and Orwell
40:50 - Self-created purpose
46:10 - Anti-propaganda w/out God
50:15 - Desire as identity
55:00 - Convert vs. Disciple
1:03:15 - Jesus is King
1:10:45 - Is discipleship propaganda?
1:16:20 - Closing thoughts

We explore how discipleship is a counter-propaganda formation of individuals. 

This episode explores how the idea of "peace and purity of the church" is often used as a cudgel against victims and survivors, and a way to silence dissent. 

I had the opportunity to chat with David Gornoski about Girard, Mimesis, and its relationship to understanding propaganda. 

0:00 - Episode Introduction
7:45 - David's Introduction
10:55 - What is Mimesis?
12:50 - Polarization & Nuance
26:15 - The Crowd is Untruth
37:25 - Reverse Mimesis
50:40 - Demon Possession and Isolation
57:50 - Community vs. Crowd
1:05:40 - Truth and Love
1:12:40 - Christ Haunted World

I had the opportunity to speak with Dr. Dru Johnson about his work on epistemology. 

0:00 - Prologue
23:20 - Dr. Johnson's Introduction
32:15 - Apprenticeship and Truth
42:15 - Propositionalizing the Bible
52:25 - Implications for God's Omniscience
1:00:00 - Apophaticism
1:05:45 - No Such Thing as Brute Facts
1:14:05 - Authority and Authentication
1:27:50 - Can We Learn From Unjust Teachers?
1:36:15 - Participation Produces Knowledge

We explore some key forms of propaganda that play a prominent role in the current Israel/Palestine conflict. 

*I was not on my usual setup while on the road, so there are a number of technical glitches. Sorry for the lower quality here but I hope you are still able to enjoy. 

I explore Augustine's case against lying. 

Is it wrong to tell a little white lie in order to save an oppressed minority you're harboring in order to avoid genocide? Such a claim seems unreasonable and unlovingly rigid. In this episode we look at the ramifications of accepting lying as a moral option. 

This episode explores the moral system which not only provides us purpose, but secures it as well. 

0:00 - Preface
11:30 - Introduction
18:15 - Incoherence of Current Moral Theories
19:50 - Virtue Ethics & Arbitrariness
20:55 - Consequentialism & Arbitrariness
21:55 - Deontological & Arbitrariness
24:15 - Virtue Ethics & Egoism
30:50 - Deontology & Egoism
33:00 - Consequentialism & Egoism
37:35 - How does the resurrection fix arbitrariness and egoism?
39:10 - Purpose and existence in creation
42:10 - Separation from purpose and existence
45:15 - What the resurrection gets us - theosis
52:10 - Existence and pure nature are required for p...

We take a look at where purpose comes from and whether or not we can create it. 

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We continue our last episode by asking whether or not lies, at least sometimes, work better than the truth. If God created a good world, does doing good always work? 

We delve into the morality and consequences of lying by taking a look at a famous secular philosopher's take on the issue.

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I had the opportunity to interview Keith Giles and Cody Cook about the topic of hell as a tool of propaganda. 

0:00 - Preliminaries

3:30 - Group intro

9:40 - History of hell

20:10 - Reason for theological narrowing?

36:20 - Defining of propaganda and power

45:00 - Propagating propaganda vs false belief

1:06:15 - Hell and the Gospel of the Kingdom

I chat with Taylor Storey about the false prophet and true prophet forms of Christianity.

0:00 - Preface
3:35 - Context for the episode
9:15 - Taylor's Intro
13:00 - Christianity vs. Christendom
22:50 - True vs. False Prophets
31:45 - Importance of Ideals
48:00 - Kierkegaard vs. the State
59:15 - Rise of Fundamentalism: Moody
1:21:30 - J.G. Machen
1:31:00 - Graham
1:43:00 - Rotten Fruit or Rotten Tree?
1:54:00 - Nietzsche and Christendom
2:02:30 - Reagan
2:19:30 - Conservative Christian Hypocrisy
2:26:00 - Living as True Prophets
2:31:00 - Where is Christendom Now?

I had the privilege of talking to Dr. Nilay Saiya about his book, "The Global Politics of Jesus."

0:00 - Introduction
11:00 - Dr. Saiya’s introduction
15:50 - Christianism and Christendom
22:55 - Is prophetic witness escapist?
28:40 - Power always corrupts
37:00 - Romans 13
42:15 - Christianity Christens the state
52:50 - Christianity co-opted
61:00 - Where do we go from here?

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I had the privilege of speaking with Rebekah Mui about the propaganda of empire.

0:00 - Overview
5:15 - Rebekah's Intro
8:30 - Introduction to Empire
17:10 - The "Peace" of Empire
21:55 - Empires as Abusers
24:45 - Gospel of Empire
36:00 - Christian Nationalism and Patriarchy
44:45 - Masculinity, Power, and Violence
49:30 - Slavery
62:40 - Redeeming the Colonizer
64:20 - Questioning Established Order
72:30 - Picking Your Jesus
80:00 - How to Unpropagandize
87:00 - Closing

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In this interview I had the privilege of talking with Dr. George Kalantzis about his book, "Caesar and the Lamb," and the topic of sacralism.

0:00 - Introduction
4:00 - Sacralism
14:40 - Origin stories
18:25 - Voting
27:30 - Consequentialism
30:00 - Discipleship
34:50 - Dr. Kalantzis introduction
36:45 - Define and explain Sacralism
42:30 - Why can't we see Sacralism?
48:35 - Veneration vs. Worship of state
52:50 - Importance of origin stories and myth
63:00 - Sacralism as unification and absolution
75:00 - Voting as a sacral act
81:15 - Consequentialism and power
84:00...

I start to pull what we've learned this season together to evaluate how we can think through conspiracies together. To help us do this, I look at the conspiracy theory of the resurrection of Jesus. 

I discuss some of the resources that influenced this section of the season and recommend some you should consider checking out. 

Using James Olson's book, "Fair Play," I look at how moral compromise is inevitable if one chooses to participate in government.

We take a look at the false prophet of Christendom throughout the ages, starting with a look at the famous forged document, "The Donation of Constantine."

I chat with Dr. David Vine about his book, "Base Nation," and how the government obfuscates the fact that we are a modern empire. 

0:00 - Preface
6:00 - Dr. Vine's Intro
15:50 - Motives for Expansion
23:15 - Benefit and Boogeyman that is Socialism
29:45 - Base Nation = Colonialism
38:20 - Linguistic Legerdemain and Propaganda
43:15 - Why do Oppressed Participate in Their Oppression?
48:45 - Linguistic Deception w/Chagossians
57:30 - Manufacturing Fear and Blowback
1:05:30 - Democracy as False Ideal
1:13:00 - Plugs for Dr. Vines

We take a look at the centuries long conspiracy of the U.S. against Haiti. 

0:00 - Introduction
9:20 - What's in a Myth?
15:15 - What is Conspiracy?
17:35 - Wade in the Water
20:00 - Columbus in Haiti
24:00 - Haitian Revolution
32:30 - French Revolution
41:30 - Condercet, Galton, & Le Bon
49:40 - Threat of a Good Example
55:55 - Haiti's Reparations
59:40 - Frederick Douglass in Haiti
1:03:55 - Spain, Philippines, & Cuba
1:13:00 - U.S. Invades Haiti
1:25:55 - Dogs on a Leash
1:35:40 - Coups

I had the privilege of speaking with *John Smith about his look behind the curtain of military propaganda. John served in Afghanistan as a Green Beret before spending seven years working in intelligence in the DIA. 

0:00 - Preface
4:55 - Why enter the military?
16:50 - Role of films in enlistment
30:30 - Transition to Intel
40:00 - Role of intel
55:45 - Willful Ignorance
59:00 - How citizens are enemies of government
1:03:45 - Consequentialism
1:10:00 - American Exceptionalism
1:16:00 - The Kingdom of God

0:00 - Intro/Preliminaries
13:55 - Conspiracy in the medical field
20:00 - Conspiracy as convergence
25:25 - Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos
31:00 - Only conspiracy if intuitions are wrong
33:40 - Factors in conspiracies
42:00 - Monolithic ideologies and conspiracy
55:55 - Importance of data and vaccines
1:09:15 - How to deal with tribalism
1:20:35 - Revolving doors
1:32:00 - Bringing it all together

I chat with David Pudwill, a former FDA employee and a current consultant, about conspiracy and convergence in government and medicine. 

0:00 - Intro/Preliminaries
13:55 - Conspiracy in the medical field

I had the privilege of talking with Pastor Greg Johnson of Memorial Presbyterian, St. Louis, about conservative Christian language, discipleship, and conversion therapy. 

0:00 - Introduction
5:10 - Pastor Johnson's Introduction
9:00 - Science, Religion, and Conversion Therapy
21:30 - Why do conservative Christians fixate on conversion?
29:00 - Is language important?
34:30 - Propagandizing the Ideal or Erecting a Shibboleth
42:15 - Discipleship vs. Change
49:30 - Eudaemonism and the failing church
59:00 - Guilt vs. Shame
63:00 - Experience w/the other pole
72:50 - Plugs and closing

I explore the wayward church in regard to its handling of the AIDS crisis and the gay community.

0:00 - Introduction/Preliminaries
12:15 - LGBTQ History
29:10 - Church History
33:00 - The Wayward Church
39:45 - Conversion Therapy and Objectification
48:15 - Medical Propaganda
51:00 - Rage Against the Deus Ex Machina

I take a look at a true conspiracy, and a long running one at that. This particular conspiracy starts to get us into some much broader conspiracies, both in terms of duration and scope. A huge part of these types of conspiracies is, thanks to propaganda (and especially the propaganda of myth), their ability to disappear in our national memories.

* I am releasing this episode on the 70th anniversary of their execution, at 8:00 PM EST, the time at which the Julius and Ethel were executed.

Pre-Episode Introduction
0:00:00 - Introduction and Robert's story
0:08:40 - Manichean nature of propaganda
0:12:40 - Government destroys culture, not just resistance
0:14:35 - Timing of this episode

Interview with Robert
0:18:05 - Propaganda in the case of Robert's parents
0:23:35 - Role of fear and othering in propaganda
0:31:45 - Why was it important for propaganda that the kids of the Rosenbergs were targeted as threats?
0:42:45...

We continue looking at propaganda in the media by discussing the story of Gary Webb. This is probably our most controversial "true conspiracy" to date, but I hope you'll hang in there and hear the points I'm trying to make.
 

We dig deeper into our season on propaganda by beginning our look at how propaganda is wielded by the media. 

0:00 - Introduction
7:35 - Ron's Intro
9:40 - History of corporate speech
17:55 - Free speech and rational discourse
32:35 - How much influence do corporations have?
48:30 - Politicians as the mouthpiece of corporations
51:50 - Legislation's correspondence w/corporate interests
55:00 - Police lobby and marijuana legalization
1:05:00 - Stadiums
1:14:30 - Freedom and flourishing
1:21:00 - Propaganda and socialism

*This episode is releasing on April 9, 2023, at dawn, Berlin time. This is in commemoration of the execution of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a man who stood up to the lies and deception of Hitler, and who paid for it with his life. He died at dawn exactly 77 years ago from this moment. I dig into Hitler's "Mein Kampf" to explore the mind of an early master propagandist, and how we might avoid being bewitched by another iteration of him in the future. 

0:00 - Bonhoeffer Introduction
15:00 - Our aversion to reading Hitler
21:45 - How this episode connects w...

I recap the story of Benjamin Lay, one of the most influential abolitionists in American history, in order to uncover how propaganda could be laid bare through the displaying of little truths. 

I had the opportunity to speak with Dr. Kathleen Wellman, author of "Hijacking History," about propaganda in Christian school curriculum. 

0:00 - Introduction
17:30 - Dr. Wellman's introduction
19:20 - Why is history so important?
23:05 - Do private schools shelter from competing ideas?
25:35 - Doesn't the other side try to propagandize too?
30:35 - Why trust historians if they've always gotten it wrong?
35:00 - Belief in success as blessings
44:05 - Confirmation bias in God's hand
46:35 - Double standard of charity and socialism
51:05 - Double standard of revolution
56:30 - Inerrancy and the a...

I had the privilege of interviewing an old college acquaintance, Kyle Gunn. Kyle talks about his experience with racism, propaganda, and growing up in a largely white world of Christian conservatism.

0:00 - My intro
3:15 -Kyle's intro
9:20 - examples of racist propaganda
21:30 - how do diverse voices help cut through propaganda
31:30 - does church do better than the world?
40:00 - distinguish between heritage/tradition and propaganda/mythology
51:45 - civil rights movement didn't obtain
1:10:00 - individualize our flaws while generalizing flaws of others

I had the opportunity to interview Jonathan and Annlyn Kulp about the insights they gleaned from their relationship as an interracial couple.

I had the privilege of speaking with historian Dr. Randall Balmer about the history of abortion and the Religious Right. 

0:00 - Preview and highlights for episode
4:05 - Intro
9:00 - Conservative political fervor was not due to abortion
14:50 - Political leaders admit that political fervor was not about abortion
20:30 - Conservatives didn't realize power of abortion until very late
29:00 - Evangelical propaganda wielding "religious liberty"
32:20 - Why does it matter how we arrived at the truth of abortion?
39:20 - Evangelical's history with social justice
50:50 - Abortion hides racism through a v...

This episode once again takes a look at the church, and how it has specifically been a facilitator of racism and propaganda as a false prophet for the beast of empire. We look at how the issue of abortion was coopted for political power and influence. 

We delve into a true conspiracy which you've probably never heard of. It's known by a number of names: McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons, or Project 100,000. In this episode I'll explore how this true conspiracy played out in the real world.

We begin our new section of propaganda by looking at how information is wielded in relation to racism. 

0:00 - Introduction
2:45 - Propaganda responds to a need
18:00 - Propaganda is inimical
24:30 - Propaganda induces fear
48:35 - Racism is grounded in truth and sincerity
54:00 - How propaganda is formed
1:05:00 - Mithridatism and Sensitization

We close out this section of our propaganda season dealing with abuse by providing you with a few talking points and some resources for consideration and extension. 

This episode explores abuse and propaganda in the real world by talking with two women who work with survivors of abuse. 

I chat with Dr. William Witt, author of "Icons of Christ," about how the church has been complicit in creating an environment which fosters abuse and harbors abusers. 

0:00 - Preliminaries

12:10 - Introduction

15:20 - Dr. Witt's book, "Icons of Christ"

21:30 - Complementarianism is Progressive, not Conservative

29:20 - Women as Ontologically Inferior

32:40 - The Cudgel of Inerrancy

37:30 - The Fruit of Complementarianism

49:45 - If Christianity is True, Why Isn't it Better?

56:30 - Homosexuality, Singleness, and the Elevation of Sexuality

1:02:45 - Submission a...

3:20 Intro to Christian Anarchism, nonviolence, and their connection
7:30 Christian Anarchism's freeing from moral consequentialism 
9:30 Why use the term Anarchism? Is voluntaryist a better term?
12:45 Is the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina a good picture of what an anarchist society would look like?
16:45 What do you consider the strongest argument against Anarchism that makes you think twice? 
19:00 Why pursue Anarchism rather than reform?
21:00 Would you vote for Ron Paul?
23:00 If all Christians left politics, wouldn't that have a negative impact?
25:30 How do you hold such a negative view on government and human tainting of...

0:00 intro

8:25 Joash intro

10:55 how to define justice

17:50 how to do justice Jesus's way

25:30 how IJM works with the state

31:15 position on nonviolence

35:10 how handle government corruption

41:30 how would you not include the state in sex trafficking

44:00 does a top down approach just mask the evil

53:30 court vs. wilderness prophets

58:00 how do you work through the lesser of two evils complicity

1:02:50 temptation to wield power

1:06:20 west distracted by personal inconveniences

0:00:00 Introduction
0:07:30 War and violence inherent to government
0:10:10 True free market vs. government meddling
0:24:00 Why do libertarians want government if they acknowledge that they just screw things up?
0:31:40 Why do libertarians want a free economic market, but not a free market of governments (like HOA's?)
0:34:00 Government is inherently destructive through fiscal policy (taxation and inflation)
0:53:00 Why capitalism is often misconstrued as greedy and wasteful
1:13:45 How would privatization of the market actually work? 
1:29:30 Why are you a libertarian and not an anarchist?
1:46:00 Response to episode on the positives of communism
1:57:00 Discuss A...

0:00 Episode Preview
17:00 Guest Intro and background
1:02:00 - Introduce government and communism discussion
1:23:00 - Rethinking communism
1:35:00 - What about force, legislation, and redistribution?
1:42:00 - Demerits of capitalism
1:55:30 - What about the negative examples of what communism leads to?
1:58:00 - Cuba
2:00:30 - U.S. manipulation of socialist countries
2:13:00 - Owner and consumer responsibilities
2:19:30 - Communism and capitalism are both wielded in empire seeking endeavors

0:00 - My Intro
6:00 - Dr. Keown's Intro
8:00 - Discipleship and Individualism
12:25 - Why does the gospel seem difficult to share when there aren't consequences?
17:10 - Do government and religion always marry?
23:50 - Is government antithetical to the Kingdom?
32:45 - Government and violence go together
42:50 - How does submission under evil empire work?
57:45 - Revelation, empire, and submission
1:05:00 - Egalitarianism and submission

0:00 - Preface
2:30 - Cody's Introduction
4:30 - Does a face value reading of the Bible give you a violent, statist God?
12:45 - Can enemy love be grounded in the character of God if his standards for it have changed over time?
23:00 - Is the Antenicene Church helpful in forming our beliefs, and if so, how do we choose what to accept and dismiss from them?
30:45 - The Antenicene Church helps us embrace diversity, unity, and humility.
34:00 - How do we deal with the fact that many Christian Anarchists dismiss or diminish the resurrection of...

0:00 - Intro
3:00 - Aree's Intro
11:00 - Inerrancy
21:00 - Is God nonviolent by nature or by decree?
39:50 - Eastern Orthodoxy and Sacralism
53:00 - Is nonparticipation in government violence towards the oppressed?
1:03:10 - CRT helps anarchism

0:00:00 My Introduction
0:4:00- Craig's Introduction
0:11:20 - Why should we care about the early church?
0:21:00 - What are some of the biggest differences between the Antenicene Church and the Post-Constantinian Church?
0:28:00 - Did Constantine change the church overnight, or was he just watering the seeds latent in the church?
0:38:10 - What is the Donatist Controversy and how does it inform our discussion of empire, orthodoxy, and ecumenicism?
0:49:45 - Are the Donatists or the Post-Constantinians the true/best representation of the true church?
0:56:15 - How do we know what orthodoxy is and what aspects...

0:00:00 - Episode Intro
0:05:00 - Jay Newman Intro
0:15:30 - Complicity in the system
0:19:00 - Is Christian Anarchism retreatist?
0:30:30 - Consequentialism's willingness to compromise
0:37:30 - Coercion as top down vs. Discipleship as bottom up
0:44:00 - The Upside Down Kingdom as true power
0:48:45 - Ellul, Anarchism, and Propaganda
1:00:00 - Exiles in Babylon
1:01:45 - Avoiding negative anarchy for positive anarchy and kingdom building

0:00 - Introduction
7:45 - Incoherence of Current Moral Theories
8:20 - Virtue Ethics & Arbitrariness
9:25 - Consequentialism & Arbitrariness
10:15 - Deontological & Arbitrariness
12:45 - Virtue Ethics & Egoism
19:20 - Deontology & Egoism
21:30 - Consequentialism & Egoism
26:05 - How does the resurrection fix arbitrariness and egoism?
27:40 - Purpose and existence in creation
30:40 - Separation from purpose and existence
33:45 - What the resurrection gets us - theosis
40:40 - Existence and pure nature are required for purpose and morality
46:20 - Privation theory of evil
51:20 - Isn't hope in resurrection a self-centered hope?
1:00:05 - Resurrection prevents...

0:00 - My Introduction and Preface
17:00 - Participant Introductions
20:30 - How did the book come about?
26:40 - Christian Anarchism connected to Liberation Theology
30:40 - Parties cherry-pick critiques of the state
36:30 - Post-anarchism
39:30 - How can CA contribute to modern Christian politics
44:40 - General and specific loves of groups
51:50 - Othering, domination, and hierarchy
58:00 - Anarchy and compulsory vaccinations
1:05:15 - Resource recommendations

Pre-Episode Introduction
0:00:00 - Introduction and Robert's story
0:04:20 - Manichean nature of propaganda
0:08:20 - Government destroys culture, not just resistance
0:10:15 - Timing of this episode

Interview with Robert
0:13:45 - Propaganda in the case of Robert's parents
0:19:15 - Role of fear and othering in propaganda
0:27:25 - Why was it important for propaganda that the kids of the Rosenbergs were targeted as threats?
0:38:25 - Propaganda in the media as a sedative that gets people to work within the system rather than buck it
0:51:50 - How can we know truth in a...

*I misspoke and said that Baptists are essentially anabaptists. While Baptists do re-baptize, they are of a different strain than Anabaptists and not considered as such. 

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A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
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A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!
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Christian Peace and Nonviolence: https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Peace-Nonviolence-Documentary-History/dp/1570759227/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?cv_ct_cx=christian+peace+and+nonviolence&dchild=1&keywords=christian+peace+and+nonviolence&pd_rd_i...

Quotes:

-Intro 0:00
-Hannah Intro 3:00
-Recap 9:00
-Who is Wang Yi? 14:00
-Why was Wang Yi arrested? 27:00
-Wang Yi's law background and influence 36:00
-Eschatology as a guide to action 41:00
-Nonviolence and the Chinese church 48:00
-Protest for power and control vs. the prophetic role of the church 54:00
-Participation in government 60:00
-Cross and the landfill analogy of Christian action in the world 67:00
-Suffering 72:00
-How would China view the U.S. church's reaction to government mandates due to COVID? Persecution or peace? 78:00
-Fruit of Spirit and persecution as a call to our own...

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*Please excuse the mispronunciation of "Goethe" and the swearing

Purposer --(purpose)--> Instrument --(action)--> Goal

God's Equation: Purposer (God) ----> Instrument (Humanity) ---> Goal (Glorifying God in Loving Community)
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Self-Purposing Equation:  Purposer (Humanity) ---> Instrument (Whatever We Choose) ---> Goal...

General Notes: 

Referenced Sources: 

“You know...

Dear Scott, 

What is this quelled inside me? I cannot really say.

It’s certainly not dread, Scott. That came on another day.

It feels more like fuzzy warmth. A rashly rationed rationality

Standing partial...

A wonderful resource and a classic you must read in regard to the SOTM is Dallas Willard's "The Divine Conspiracy." Willard excoriates modern Christianity and our easy believism and refusal to emphasize works, but he also does a great job doing what I failed to do in my consequentialism series until the Bonhoeffer episodes, which is to make clear that following Jesus leads us to right actions, it is not right actions of themselves which we are seeking.

I would take exception with Willard on two parts, however. The first is that Willard seems to view some...

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George Cannon, predecessor of the Truman Doctrine, in a memo (1948): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Memo_PPS23_by_George_Kennan
"Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This d...

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(Article discussed in this episode) An Open Letter to Christians Condoning Violence: https://freethinkingministries.com/an-open-letter-to-christians-condoning-violence/
Episode 7: Is Nonviolence Evil by Refusing to Do Good? https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/rebuttal-evil-in-refusing-to-do-good
Romans 13 Part 2: The Practical: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/rebuttal-romans-13-part-2
Episode 19: What Would You Do to Protect Your Family (Part 1)? https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/rebuttal-would-you-really-allow-an-intruder-to-harm-your-family

**Part of what makes this topic difficult is its changing statistics. For instance, there are many years in which "whites" count hispanics, thought that changes throughout the years. Another thing I want to point out is that due to proportions, it needs to be made clear that minorities do face a disproportionate number of abortions. The text below is from 1997 as just one example. I am not at all arguing that whites have had less of a problem with abortion proportionally, but that the general trend for whites is downward, while the trend for minorities is relatively static as...

***For an alternative perspective on the rise of the abortion issue among conservative Evangelicals, check out the following article. While I think the author makes some good points and helps to balance a true, growing concern for abortion, I think the race issue is clearly the catalyst. So while I disagree with the morality of abortion now, the reason the issue was shot t...

[Edit 5/8/22] I just came across Psalm 51:5 today and thought it helped to make another great point about how we interpret scripture. For those arguing that our being known by God in the womb ought to be taken at face value and point towards the sanctity of life from in the womb, then surely Psalm 51, if taken in a consistent fashion, declares the concept of original sin and original guilt. It says, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." If one wants to proof-text the idea of the sanctity of life in the...

*Please note that I am not particularly critiquing the actions taken by government or individuals, provided their actions are based on honest and educated assessments of data. Isolating everyone vs. isolating only a certain population (e.g. those over 60, those with preexisting conditions, etc) is a judgment call. We don't have all the data necessary to make perfect decisions, so we're experimenting and learning as we go. At what point does shutting down the economy do more harm than good, particularly in countries where they live day to day, hand to mouth? I don't know, and I don't want...

*around 59:30 I intend to say prostitution is a secular endeavor, not a sacred one

*I realized that my statement on hospitality may not be taken graciously or with a full attempt to understand, so I felt the need to have an extended explanation here.

It's important to note that I am not saying the only sin of Sodom was lacking hospitality, but simply that it was one aspect of the problem. Ezekiel 16:49 perhaps encompasses this idea the best, as it declares the sin of Sodom to be, at least in part, their lack of concern and assistance for the poor and needy. Unfortunately, many conservative Christians feel they can't allow both...

I strongly recommend checking out the "City of Refuge" podcast. I think the story encompasses all I've talked about so far. You can see how Christians justify killing Christians, how the teachings of Christ compel over force, how God's hand orchestrates miraculous salvation through seemingly pointless suffering and death of those who implement faithful obedience, how evil so often stems from consequentialist ethics, etc. It really all comes out in this story. If you want to just have a list of all the episode titles at hand, then sit down and listen to the podcast and check off how...

I strongly recommend checking out the "City of Refuge" podcast. I think the story encompasses all I've talked about so far. You can see how Christians justify killing Christians, how the teachings of Christ compel over force, how God's hand orchestrates miraculous salvation through seemingly pointless suffering and death of those who implement faithful obedience, how evil so often stems from consequentialist ethics, etc. It really all comes out in this story. If you want to just have a list of all the episode titles at hand, then sit down and listen to the podcast and check off how...

Lewis's Arguments and Further Resources

*Please excuse the sound quality on this episode. There was some interference on this recording which influenced the sound quality. 

*Please excuse the sound quality on this episode. There was some interference on this recording which influenced the sound quality. 

*I didn't do a good job of explaining this in the episode, but there are a very broad range of views pacifists take as to what participation in government looks like. I am still not sure where I stand. The view I present in this episode is more of a pendulum swing all the way to one side - showing what the extreme may look like. From there you can figure out where you lie on the spectrum, between the far end of pacifism, and the other end of fully embracing just war theory.

*Excuse the mispronunciation of "Goethe." I have since been educated more.

The best resource I can currently recommend on this topic is "Jesus the Pacifist" by Matthew Fleischer. The book will be released early next year. It is a fantastic look that digs into Jesus, his actions, his specific teachings, and the implications of all that he did. The book is particularly helpful for the brand of Christians who love to have verse wars and proof-text everything. Since the Bible doesn't specifically lay out all versions of pacifism (though it leans more that way than the way of allowing violence), proof-texting Christians think they can ignore a call to non-violence...

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